Carlos Alsina recounts the clash he had with a minister: "I had a very noticeable fight."

Following visits from Sebastián Yatra and 'Las Berrocal ', 'El Hormiguero ' completely changed its tune to welcome its guest this Wednesday, May 14th. One of the most renowned communicators in Spanish journalism celebrated the tenth anniversary of his program on the Antena 3 show. Carlos Alsina has been directing and presenting 'Más de uno' on Onda Cero for a full decade , a magazine that has now become a radio institution.

As a way of introducing the guest, Pablo Motos told the audience about "half a life" before he entered the set. One of the details the Requena native mentioned was that Alsina gets up early. "Ten past four. But you didn't count that the alarm clock goes off at half past three," the host confirmed, to Motos's astonishment. "But what kind of torture...? Is it torture, or is it pleasure?" "It's just silly things that those of us with these weird schedules do. If it goes off at ten past three, you can always fool yourself and say... I still have 40 minutes left to sleep. These are pretty ridiculous things we do, but they're already part of our routine. They're the best 40 minutes," he explained.

"You've also said I'm exhausted, haven't you? It's been a very enjoyable presentation," Alsina noted jokingly. "I'm just saying that you're making a huge effort and that, despite being sick, you're on the radio," argued the host of 'El Hormiguero' , who admitted to being on the radio at half speed, "because doing a radio show with hoarseness or coldness problems is torture for the audience." And he warned that it could happen to him during the interview, and he'd have to carry on a conversation with a voiceless host, "which is a bit of a Juan Carlos Ortega thing."

In response to the comedian's mention, Alsina recalled a phrase he had said about radio, "an invention that's like a podcast, but live." He argued that his medium is completely up-to-date. "The battery-powered radio is great, but radio is truly modern, as I think we demonstrate every day. It's the most modern invention there is. And so, seeing it as something old-fashioned that we've recovered because of the blackout hurts those of us who make radio a little," he asserted.

Agreeing with him, Motos stated that turning on the radio, specifically "Más de uno," is the first thing he does in the morning to listen to Carlos Alsina's monologue. "I don't want to make you jealous, I get up at eight. From ten past four until eight," the Valencian broadcaster remarked. "How disgusting... Especially that you say that to me," the guest rebuked him with a snort.

Regarding his morning reflection, the host made it clear that he's not trying to shape his listeners' opinions, but rather, it's intended to be an explanation of the most relevant events that happened the day before or what will happen tomorrow, with an argument. "What matters to me is that you understand why I come to a conclusion. I have my way of seeing what happened, and I want you to know why I have it. And to do that, I'm presenting you with a series of background information or contexts or whatever. But because they're part of an argument that leads to a conclusion. I don't expect you to agree with my conclusion. Or with my point of view. I only hope that knowing my point of view is useful to you. Or to share it. Or to disagree. Or to have something occur to you that you hadn't considered until that moment. Current events are a daily puzzle. And I think the interesting or entertaining thing is putting the pieces together," he continued.

Among the anecdotes he recounted, Alsina acknowledged that when Mariano Rajoy was in power, Pedro Sánchez really liked his platform. Therefore, Motos wanted to know if he thinks he also likes it now that he's Prime Minister. "It will be useful for him to find arguments that are perhaps different from his own, or that are usually critical of his way of doing things," he noted.

However, Alsina clarified that Sánchez isn't the only one to whom this has happened. The same thing happened to the PP leaders when they came to power after Zapatero . "Why? In my program, we have a thesis that the focus of criticism must be placed above all on those who govern the country so that they don't go power-mad. And because, ultimately, the country's government is the one with the greatest capacity to open public debates, to outline guidelines for continuing the nation's progress. I believe the government has much more weight in public debate than the opposition or the regional governments," he emphasized.

"What's happening is that something strange is happening now. I don't know if you agree with me, Carlos . I've also been in the media for 30 years. I've always been critical of those in power, and those in power were always angry with me. Now, if you're critical of those in power, it's because you're a member of the People's Party (PP) or you have a grudge against the government. I think this is the first time?" Motos asked. But Alsina doesn't see it happening that way.

"I know that Sánchez listened to him and found it very interesting when the criticism was mainly directed at Rajoy, who was the previous government. But this already happened to me when the PP came to power. With some ministers in particular, who were big fans. And when they come to power, they stop being fans and say we're constantly criticizing them. With one minister in particular, I won't say which one, I had a very notable argument at a lunch he organized. He said, 'Of course, you've changed, and so now you're constantly criticizing us.' No, the one who's changed is you, who used to be the one leading the opposition and now you're the minister," he reflected.

"It's not journalists who change the way we understand current events or judge those in power. It's you who have changed, so you have to understand that the change is yours," he continued. Furthermore, the guest also sent a message to the opposition, so that they don't misunderstand or interpret that if you're critical of decisions made by the government, it's because you're on its side. "It's not like that. One day you'll agree with some, another day you'll agree with others. But criticism of power, as you say, doesn't mean you're aligned with whoever aspires to power."